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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr rita louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide

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today what you believe may be called

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who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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i'm your host dr rita louise and thank

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you all for tuning into the show today

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another great guest we're going to be

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speaking to ev ellen everett

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hoffman ellen everett hoffman about

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being pagan druids wiccans and witches

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about our guest and get her on the air

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ellen hoffman is a master herbalist and

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lay homeopath who holds an med in mental

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health counseling

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ellen is the author of a growing number

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of books she has been a teacher of

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herbalism since 1983

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and of druidism since 1990. she has

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co-led tours to celtic and neolithic

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sites in europe she was the founder of

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the new england druid summit a yearly

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gathering of druids in new england for

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more information please visit her site

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ellen evert

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hopman

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dot com so please welcome to just energy

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radio ellen hoffman hi ellen how are you

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hi thank you so much for having me

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and i just appreciate your patience with

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everything that's been going on around

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here and i'm just so glad that you

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decided to stick with us and and stay

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for the show so thank you well there was

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an eclipse today maybe that had

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something to do with it oh

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yeah it just seems like the world just

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gets crazier and crazier every day

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and that is true we live in very

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interesting times

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i always ask myself why did i sign up

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supposedly given a choice and i'm

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thinking

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having this be your first time on the

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show why don't you kind of introduce

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yourself to the listeners and maybe

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share what got you interested in

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studying

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paganism and druidism and herbal law

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well those are uh that's two different

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uh subjects in in my mind anyway um

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what happened was i was born in austria

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at the time that i was born my mother

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who is no longer on this side of the

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veil

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she was an artist and she was very

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interested in archaeology and there were

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digs going on in the area i was born in

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salzburg that you know that's where the

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sound of music was filmed in the

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mountains there

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um

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and uh they were com they were digging

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up celtic graves and they were coming up

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with these are the first

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uh artifacts that they were finding um

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about the ancient celts and when i was

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very small my mother used to talk about

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the celts

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and um i thought that was perfectly

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normal i thought everybody grew up that

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way and she would always talk about them

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with profound respect

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that's what i remember most was the the

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incredible tone of respect that she had

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and um you know she would she would talk

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about their iron work and um and i

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promptly forgot about it and when i got

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older she didn't talk about it anymore

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and it actually wasn't until i was in my

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30s um

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when i was living in philadelphia at the

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time and i heard celtic music on the

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radio for the first time i was just you

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know channel surfing and all of a sudden

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there was this celtic music and i

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instantly fell in love with it and

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then i became a kaley dancer uh in

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philadelphia and

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that's uh a traditional irish uh dancing

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uh group dancing not the not the step

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dancing but anyway gra i'm i i love art

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history i love history you know so

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started um getting more and more

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interested in the celtic culture and

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then um i was practicing as an herbalist

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at the time and

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one of my clients

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was a seamstress for the flying

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karamazov brothers and

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she was telling me a story about how she

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had gone to a gathering and she had met

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a druid

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when i heard the word druid you know

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some people have have this epiphany when

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they hear the word witch they go oh yeah

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i'm a witch you know i never had that

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experience but when i heard the word

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druid

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i just all of a sudden it was like i

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knew that's what i had to i had to look

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into and i spent the next few years

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trying to find druids because that was

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in the early 80s it was before there was

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the internet you know there was no way

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to just look up druids although i do

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remember looking in the yellow pages and

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finding a druid listed in the

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philadelphia yellow pages which i

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thought was interesting

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and i did actually need him

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but that was the only thing you could do

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i find that kind of hard to believe that

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there was a listing

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yeah well he was a druid and he was in

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the phone book so but anyway so she told

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me about druids and and then um i

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finally did find a druid group and

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um it was called adf or i'm reached fine

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and i was one of the first members there

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were only 30 of us at the time it was

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1984

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i guess when i officially joined

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and um

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and then there's a lot that happened

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after that but i've been a druid ever

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since

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that's

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making a very long story short

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you know you know you you use the word

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druid and i think there is so much

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confusion when talking about and i'm

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going to call it earth-based

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spirituality um can you explain and and

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please feel free to you know

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spend time on this you know because it's

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it's i think critical um you know but

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what the differences are if there are

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any between the concept of a druid or

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pagan or wiccan and witch because i

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think they all kind of get thrown in

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together under the pagan slash oh you're

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a witch category and i don't you know

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and this is even from my own edification

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you know are there differences between

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the different titles in different groups

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or are we all talking about the same

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thing well the the word pagan paganism

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is actually the umbrella term it's kind

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of like christianity could it be

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anything from lutherans to baptists to

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catholics to

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orthodox russian orthodox you know

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they're all christians right

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and and that all falls under

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christianity right

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um well paganism is the umbrella term

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and paganism

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is a lot of people

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totally misunderstand that term and the

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dictionaries are part of the problem

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because in the dictionaries

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you'll still find pagan a godless person

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right which is exactly the opposite of

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what a pagan is for example hindus are

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pagans you could hardly call them

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godless people right they have many many

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gods and goddesses well it's the same

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thing with pagans

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pagans

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honor all religions all traditions we

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are polytheists

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that doesn't mean that we don't have our

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own particular gods and goddesses that

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we like or that we work with or that we

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feel close to but we would never say to

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another pagan how dare you worship uh

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astarte

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you know that's the wrong path

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and you must convert to the path of

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apollo you know we would never do that

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it's just

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it's considered it's not even considered

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i mean it's it would be beyond the pale

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it would just be

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absolutely

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unthinkable to to do that um so to begin

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with a pagan

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islamic

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person in other words we are not the

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people of the book it's what the muslims

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call the people of the book you know

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it's the bible and the quran

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so the old testament new testament quran

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that's the people of the book we are not

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the people of the book and even the

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bible talks about the other people

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you know

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cain and abel one of them went off and

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got married to somebody and it was not a

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person of the book you know

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we're the other people and there's a lot

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of us

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but but yeah that would include most

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indigenous traditions native american

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traditions indigenous traditions african

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traditions hinduism

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um

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you know and all the the current

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pagan revival that's going on now in the

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us britain and all over the world

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um so so to begin with that's that's one

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thing that people need to look at um

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then uh you have

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druids

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and we are under the pagan umbrella

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druids were the

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intellectuals of the tribes they were

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the people of arts they were the lawyers

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the judges the doctors

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um

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the priests the priestesses that was the

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druid it was a cast they are the

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equivalent of the brahmanas in hindu

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society

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and even today most druids are

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intellectual

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we tend to be very widely read

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we love reading really old documents

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things we can get our hands on from the

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7th century and you know that's that's a

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druid

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then you have uh

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wicca

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english

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witchcraft tradition

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with very strict training and rules what

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gets confusing is a lot of pagans with

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very little training or education call

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themselves wiccan now

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but there's a big difference between

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what they call gardnerian wicca which is

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really traditional

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english

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wicca which has a lot of training and

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just your garden variety within you know

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who's running around calling himself a

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wiccan

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and then you have witches there are many

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different kinds of witches but which

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craft it's called witchcraft because

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it's a craft and throughout the middle

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ages most witches were christian

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so when they were burning witches they

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were actually burning christians

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and it's just

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huh

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oops oops yeah and it's like all the

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salem witches quote unquote they were

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all christian right

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salem massachusetts they were all

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christians right so um it's a craft

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and it was just folk practices and

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healing methods and things that were

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passed down um

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and practiced by mostly good christian

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people you know

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so i don't know if that helps

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well i mean it does help so i mean i

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think it's interesting that what you're

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saying is if you're not judeo-christian

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islam whatever you're a pagan

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right

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dang i guess i'm a pagan

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well

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i didn't even know it

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yeah a lot of people are pagan um

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it's just people who revere the earth

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who revere nature

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as opposed to like in the islam the the

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only god is god and and that the whole

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earth is haram the earth is forbidden

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and your goal is to transcend

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the material plane and just think of

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allah that that's islam same thing with

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christianity the ultimate goal of

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christianity is to is the cross and the

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resurrection and what does that mean it

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means leaving the earth

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going to heaven

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you know uh what did they call it um

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the ascension what do they call it when

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people believe when the rest of us get

389
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left behind what do they call that

390
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they have a term for them oh the rapture

391
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the rapture yes you're supposed to leave

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the earth and then the rest of us get

393
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left behind

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um well those of us who are going to be

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left behind

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see our religion looks at nature and we

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see

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nature

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as well as in the sky we don't just

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think about going to the sky

401
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you know

402
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we look at all the realms we we look at

403
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under the ground as sacred then we look

404
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at at the things um in in the middle you

405
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know the trees the herbs the animals the

406
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birds the fish

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uh the insects the people

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that's all sacred the fire the water the

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air it's all sacred and then in the sky

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we have the sky gods but in underground

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we have the fairy realm and the

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ancestors

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so it's all sacred for us it's you know

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we we're not trying to leave the earth

415
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as if that were a good thing

416
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and

417
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that has a lot of implications if more

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people

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recognize that the earth was sacred

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maybe they wouldn't trash the earth so

421
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much you know

422
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well and it's scary what is happening on

423
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the planet with

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uh

425
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the commercialism and the over foresting

426
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overkilling you know it's just people

427
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don't even care

428
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i mean it's it's just about money

429
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yeah it's fracking it's all about money

430
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right

431
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and i mean people even just our farming

432
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methods you know if you don't recognize

433
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that an animal

434
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has a soul and is sacred and is a

435
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sentient being and in india they

436
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recently declared that dolphins were

437
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sentient beings

438
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so dolphins have rights you know we're

439
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slowly as a species humans are very

440
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slowly starting to come around you know

441
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you do have people like peta i'm not a

442
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member of peta but you do have people

443
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who are fighting for the rights of

444
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animals the way we raise animals for

445
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food i mean i eat meat i'm a meat eater

446
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i like

447
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to buy free range

448
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organic if at all possible

449
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animals that it looks like they might

450
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have had a decent life you know

451
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um

452
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the the factory farming that we do

453
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the way we treat

454
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everything with with pesticide and it's

455
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killing the bees and it's killing the

456
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butterflies and i i mean i was hearing

457
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uh today that the number of barn

458
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swallows has dropped dramatically so the

459
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,320
birds are affected now

460
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and and the core of that

461
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um it's

462
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some people will say i don't think

463
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everyone does but some people will say

464
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that it goes back to biblical teaching

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um where it says that humans are

466
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supposed to have the whole earth they're

467
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supposed to have dominion or something

468
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over the whole earth

469
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and that

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we a pagan would never say that because

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we

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see the sacred within the bees within

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the birds within the animals within the

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grain

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you know

476
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and those are the things that we try to

477
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think about

478
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i have my first like real garden this

479
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year like big

480
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you know if you're gonna do it go big

481
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and

482
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people laugh at me because i go out

483
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every morning and i say hi to all my

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little vegetables and go okay grow grow

485
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and and you know like commute with them

486
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every day and i fear

487
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it that should work

488
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oh yeah well they

489
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did scientists are even showing this now

490
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that they that plants have nervous

491
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systems

492
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and they can respond to pain and

493
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i mean they are sentient also the thing

494
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is we all die you know so

495
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i don't really understand the argument

496
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of um you know well you shouldn't eat

497
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meat because you're killing an animal

498
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but then if you eat

499
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vegetables you're also killing a being

500
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you know you're killing a sentient being

501
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so these all these uh creatures that

502
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everybody including us we're all gonna

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die

504
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and it's a question of how much

505
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compassion do we have while the thing is

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alive

507
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you know and and how do we treat it and

508
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i'm really glad that you're growing a

509
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garden and i hope it's organic right

510
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is there any other way

511
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you know and if i could actually like

512
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get it to produce stuff other than these

513
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like

514
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cherry-sized tomatoes on a plant that's

515
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supposed to grow these like jumbo

516
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tomatoes and my little microscopic sized

517
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,080
peppers i'd be a much happier girl

518
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because you can't

519
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i could go on and on and on and on but

520
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i'm learning

521
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yeah are they are they getting enough

522
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water

523
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it was too hot i planted a bunch of

524
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stuff in the middle of summer big

525
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mistake

526
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so i'm learning you know like don't

527
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plant stuff when it's like 150 degrees

528
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out they don't like it it's like

529
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i guess they don't like it

530
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sorry plant i gave them lots of water

531
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but

532
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then i talked to them every day

533
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but anyway

534
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yeah i mean and i think it's interesting

535
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because to me

536
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i mean i talk to my pets i talk to the

537
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other critters that are around i talk to

538
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my plants i talk to my crystal i don't

539
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talk to anybody or anything and they all

540
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to me have there is consciousness and i

541
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don't understand how people can be of

542
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the mentality that there is no

543
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consciousness that there is no energy

544
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,559
being exchanged between you and

545
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these living things i don't

546
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get it

547
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well i think it all goes back to that

548
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,039
core belief that that you're supposed to

549
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transcend the earth

550
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that the things are up that are on the

551
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,480
earth don't matter if you look at a

552
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,120
forest it's just a bunch of green stuff

553
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,200
you know it's perfectly okay to cut it

554
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,760
down because it's just green stuff and

555
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,080
it's going to come back and you know and

556
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it's there for our use

557
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,760
that is a core mentality

558
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,840
as opposed to saying

559
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every tree is an individual being and

560
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,120
they're all sacred i have a saying that

561
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i use i say every tree is a church for a

562
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,880
druid

563
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,880
and that is really true

564
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,640
because when we're next to a tree the

565
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,400
roots go down to the underworld the

566
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,320
branches go up to the sky world the

567
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:56,720
trunk is in the middle we can stand next

568
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,440
to that tree and we're in church

569
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,080
that's literally how we feel you know

570
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,320
and then you get to know each individual

571
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,080
tree and each individual tree has a

572
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,640
completely different personality and the

573
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,080
different species have different

574
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,840
personalities i've written whole books

575
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,159
about this you know i have a book called

576
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,000
the druid's herbal of sacred tree

577
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,559
medicine where i go into tree herbalism

578
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,799
and then i go into the individual

579
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,760
properties and spiritual natures of all

580
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:26,159
the different tree species you know

581
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,960
um

582
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,360
and and see i don't even know that i

583
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,039
would have ever

584
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:32,559
ever

585
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,480
thought to even think about that

586
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,240
different species have different

587
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,559
temperaments and characteristics oh

588
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,480
they're completely different for example

589
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,480
an apple tree

590
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,120
apples grow very close low to the ground

591
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,360
because they like to be in contact with

592
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,679
humans if you've ever had an apple tree

593
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,919
they do better when they're pruned they

594
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,960
want to be pruned it's like roses roses

595
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,720
also do very well when they're with

596
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:00,960
humans they want to be cut they want to

597
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,159
be you know watered nurtured fed you

598
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,320
know that they're very dependent on

599
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,360
humans there are other species that like

600
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:11,919
like a giant fur for example or a

601
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,960
sequoia has very little need for us you

602
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,440
know they're way up in the sky their

603
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,720
energy is is up in the sky world

604
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,200
and we we don't matter to them you know

605
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,640
at all

606
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,919
and

607
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,279
oaks are

608
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,760
are very centered you know the roots go

609
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,400
down as deep as the tree is tall so

610
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,720
they're incredibly balanced

611
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,120
um yeah they're all they're all

612
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,520
different pine trees um

613
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,320
they tend to they flop over very easily

614
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,880
uh because their roots are shallow

615
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,679
so

616
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,240
they they're more what about pecan trees

617
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:50,080
okay i have a bunch of pecan trees like

618
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,440
that we don't have those in

619
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,279
massachusetts

620
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,440
you tell me what's the nature of a pecan

621
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,039
tree

622
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,960
i don't know but the squirrels sure like

623
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,039
them and they like throwing the pecans

624
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,360
at you which well the pecan tree it

625
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:06,000
seems like it likes to feed things right

626
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,880
mm-hmm

627
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,559
yeah oaks dude i mean it does have a

628
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,720
very nurturing feeling to it i mean that

629
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,159
was one of the reasons we bought the

630
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,039
property was because i felt like i was

631
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,240
back home

632
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,640
well there you go i mean it seems to me

633
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,559
that the pecan is really going out of

634
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,039
its way to try to feed people and feed

635
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,159
squirrels and provide food

636
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,559
you know like maple trees go way out of

637
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,760
their way uh they will live in areas

638
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,559
like polluted cities that would kill any

639
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,279
other tree a maple tree will survive

640
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:39,760
and it will produce a beautiful sap that

641
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,799
that humans can use you know um

642
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,120
they're very tolerant of humans and they

643
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,760
have a very loving sort of nature

644
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,159
uh birch trees don't care about us that

645
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,480
much they have a whole different

646
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,240
you know they're they're just much more

647
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,200
aloof

648
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,279
you know

649
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,960
yeah it sounds like you answered your

650
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,480
own questions

651
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,120
yeah i well it's that intuitive thing

652
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,640
it's like i don't know let me feel it

653
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,159
see now i'm going to be walking around

654
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,960
my whole yard going oh let me feel you

655
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,760
tree well that's a really good thing to

656
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:12,640
do

657
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:15,679
that's that's how you get to realize and

658
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,440
like you said even every rock is alive

659
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,679
every tree is alive they all have

660
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
consciousness you can tune into a rock

661
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,640
it's an amazing thing to tune into a

662
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,279
rock because they go back millions of

663
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,720
years

664
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,480
and especially if you have issues if

665
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,679
you're dealing with something that

666
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,120
happened in your life

667
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,960
and you think it's so overwhelming you

668
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,559
go sit down with a rock

669
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,669
i don't know

670
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:48,070
the rock is gonna the rock has seen it

671
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:49,200
all

672
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,679
seen glaciers come and go

673
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,440
they've been in the middle of the fire

674
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,600
at the center of the earth

675
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,679
they've seen meteorites come crashing

676
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,480
down

677
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,400
they've seen water come and cover the

678
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:04,799
land they've seen the water go away

679
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,880
again so your problems are minuscule you

680
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,799
know

681
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,320
we'll see and i just thought it was you

682
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:14,960
know based on different rock properties

683
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,039
and not based on raw you know all rocks

684
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,880
collectively but

685
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,320
i could see that

686
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,760
you know that they would just be kind of

687
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,240
a global thing yeah right individual

688
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,640
stones have very different personalities

689
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,039
again a ruby is a has a very different

690
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,880
personality from a piece of hematite

691
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,880
or a piece of lead

692
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:38,720
you know

693
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,039
but they're all millions of years old

694
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,510
interesting um

695
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,510
well we already covered that um where

696
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,399
are we

697
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:56,080
looking at my well i'm looking on my

698
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,360
list it's like well we already talked

699
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,360
about that we already talked about that

700
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,840
i mean because you know your your whole

701
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:02,880
statement

702
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,520
you're not like judeo christian you're

703
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:10,159
pagan i'm like okay well that's half the

704
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,750
so i don't know we're gonna go somewhere

705
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,640
um

706
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,880
let's let's talk about because one of

707
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:22,799
the things that people

708
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,120
you know even in my little exposure to

709
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,320
uh

710
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,120
you know like wiccan or whatever i mean

711
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,720
because i

712
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,960
you know there is this whole thing about

713
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,480
ritual

714
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,440
and i

715
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,240
of anything with earth-based religions i

716
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,799
am not a ritual girl i mean other than

717
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,360
like you know my own personal rituals i

718
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,559
don't do

719
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:47,840
ritual

720
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,120
um you know but what is why do people

721
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,240
use ritual and what is the importance

722
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,360
of it

723
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,279
when you say ritual what kind of are you

724
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,760
talking about group ritual as opposed to

725
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,399
private ritual personal ritual what are

726
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,760
you talking about when you say ritual

727
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,760
you mean me personally or

728
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,200
yeah what are you asking me about are

729
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,840
you asking me about big group rituals

730
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,600
are you asking me about what are you

731
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,720
asking

732
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,320
both i guess

733
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,279
um

734
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,880
okay so when people think about paganism

735
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,320
and you know and i'm just gonna throw

736
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,960
the words out there and and wicked and

737
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,399
and witchcraft

738
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,840
you know they think about like a bunch

739
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,240
of people standing around this giant tub

740
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,799
boil boil toil in trouble i mean that is

741
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,600
their first impression and i know from

742
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,360
my own exposure that there are a lot of

743
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,760
people that

744
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,320
utilize ritual we know whether it's

745
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,039
individual ritual or group i'm assuming

746
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,640
they would use both

747
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,880
to facilitate something

748
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,279
and i i guess i'm asking

749
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,200
what is the value of rich one why do

750
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,760
people use it

751
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,640
well when people go to church

752
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,799
that's a ritual people go to church

753
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,480
every sunday so they do this big

754
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,399
elaborate ritual where they go into the

755
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,039
building and and they sit down and then

756
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,360
these these religious practitioners

757
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,520
process down the aisle and they go to

758
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,080
the altar and they light the candles and

759
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,600
then they're singing

760
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:18,399
and

761
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,919
say every year at the same time that is

762
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:26,720
a ritual that's a full-blown ritual so

763
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,600
why do people go to those rituals

764
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,159
they go i don't know i don't go okay but

765
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,080
that people do they go for a sense of

766
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,360
community

767
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,679
they go for a sense of hope

768
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,279
they go because they think they're going

769
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,440
to connect with something sacred

770
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,600
or they hope they will

771
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,279
they go because they're going to hear

772
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,279
some words that might help them in their

773
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,120
life

774
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:52,399
in their daily struggles

775
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,360
um

776
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,640
you know

777
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,320
i'm sure there's other reasons why

778
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,679
people go to rituals like that um pagans

779
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,279
are the same i mean that that would be a

780
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,600
group ritual we have group seasonal

781
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,799
rituals

782
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:06,880
and it's the same thing it's wonderful

783
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:09,840
that we have the same kind of ritual at

784
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,880
the same time of year every year it

785
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,200
creates little sign posts you know we

786
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,640
call it the wheel of the year um it's

787
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:20,880
nice to get together with your friends

788
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,520
and with other practitioners and

789
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,640
celebrate

790
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,840
halloween or what we call salon or

791
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,720
celebrate beltane or mayday you know

792
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,200
it's beltane is the beginning of summer

793
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,120
salon or halloween is the beginning of

794
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,440
winter you know that's those are just

795
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,360
two uh we have a lot of them those are

796
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,919
just two of them but um it's exactly the

797
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,760
same thing it's a sense of coming

798
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,399
together reinforcing the community

799
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,159
uh celebrating the changes of nature

800
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:53,120
celebrating the wheel of the year

801
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,159
um

802
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,399
you know and if there's a need

803
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,000
if there's if there's some environmental

804
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,519
focus that you want to have

805
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,399
a christian might pray to god to help

806
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,720
the environment a pagan might do a

807
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,039
little spell of some kind to help the

808
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,039
environment but it's exactly the same

809
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,000
thing i mean when i when i look at

810
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,039
prayer when i look at christian prayer

811
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,760
or islamic prayer or any kind of prayer

812
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,840
jewish prayer i don't care what it is

813
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,919
it's the same thing they're asking for

814
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:28,000
something

815
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,080
world peace whatever it is

816
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,240
you're asking for something in a

817
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,440
spiritual context pagans do exactly the

818
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,799
same thing

819
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,960
and we have different gods and goddesses

820
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,799
uh that we appeal to

821
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,600
um that we have relationships with

822
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,320
and it's you know it's it's the same

823
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,640
thing it's it seems to be a human need

824
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,440
that we have to come together as a as a

825
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:54,559
tribe

826
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:58,320
you know to to petition for things

827
00:33:05,750 --> 00:32:59,120
and

828
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,760
usually we have a meal afterwards um

829
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,440
kind of like if you if you go into a

830
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,279
church service they'll have coffee and

831
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,919
cakes we do the same thing

832
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:13,600
afterwards

833
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,880
um and then for private rituals uh again

834
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,279
it's the same thing it's it's a it's a

835
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,279
repetitive act

836
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,480
that's very comforting somehow if you

837
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,799
have certain prayers that you do or

838
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,760
certain

839
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,640
um

840
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:31,039
statues or gods and goddesses that you

841
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,080
work with

842
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,000
in the same way and you light candles to

843
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,919
them and you have little images little

844
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,559
religious images that reinforce the way

845
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,630
um

846
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,880
i there's value to that

847
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,000
you know and and and boy paganism is

848
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,399
such a huge umbrella there are

849
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,640
groups that have no gods and goddesses

850
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,679
they just work directly with nature

851
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:57,279
so they would get instead of giving

852
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,240
thanks

853
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,399
to a particular god or goddess for the

854
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,760
harvest

855
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,240
you know demeter or

856
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,799
anu or gaia whatever they would give

857
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,639
thanks to the corn directly or they

858
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,280
would give thanks to the wheat directly

859
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,399
or give thanks uh to the oats

860
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,560
to the to the carrots you know they

861
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,639
would just go directly to the

862
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,200
to the spirits of nature and thank them

863
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,040
you know but they still have a ritual

864
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:25,599
they still come together and and have a

865
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,040
thanksgiving ritual like that

866
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,440
does that make sense no it makes sense

867
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,879
you know and one of the things that i

868
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,040
like to have this show do is kind of

869
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,040
dispel

870
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,950
bias that people have you know because

871
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,000
and even in my mind

872
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,040
you know when i hear the term ritual and

873
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,159
pagan

874
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,000
you know it still

875
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,720
conjures up in my mind you know trying

876
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,920
to do some kind of a spell or

877
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,880
you know doing these things in order to

878
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,359
get x

879
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:05,280
but it doesn't sound like it's that way

880
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,750
entering into a celebration i mean i

881
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,119
guess

882
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,599
humans are humans humans are humans

883
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:17,760
right and within christianity for

884
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,960
example you have the kkk

885
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,680
and within islam you have isis

886
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:26,079
you have groups that are whack-a-doodle

887
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,760
for lack of a better term you know

888
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,599
they take the basic teachings they

889
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,520
pervert them

890
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,920
even hitler was a christian

891
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,599
i mean he was surrounded by by

892
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:38,960
christians they called themselves

893
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,680
christians these people were crazy

894
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,680
uh they were psychopaths

895
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,359
where you know there are people like

896
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,079
that and they will take a religion

897
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,680
and they will pick and choose what they

898
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,520
want from that religion and turn it into

899
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
something crazy and nasty

900
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,000
well i mean it's the same thing in

901
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,640
paganism you have young kids

902
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,560
who think that they're going to get some

903
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,480
kind of power by calling themselves a

904
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,520
witch

905
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,200
and so they dye their hair black and

906
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,200
they put on their black nail polish and

907
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,440
they put on their eye makeup you know

908
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,960
and they try to look as scary as

909
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,440
possible and they're rebelling against

910
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,880
their parents

911
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,760
and they might go do something stupid

912
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,720
you know but that doesn't represent

913
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,119
paganism as a whole i don't personally

914
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:25,520
know anybody like that

915
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,440
i hear about it you know in the media

916
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,440
you know on television or something but

917
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,680
i've never met anybody like that i don't

918
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,599
know people like that

919
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,440
just as i know i know a lot of

920
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,200
christians i've never met anyone who was

921
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,079
in the kkk that i know of

922
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,240
but they're out there

923
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,079
you know

924
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,200
so

925
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,359
that again that's just human nature if

926
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:51,680
you take a large enough group of people

927
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:55,040
some of them are going to be crazy

928
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,150
well i mean

929
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,599
and then what happened you know but it's

930
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,400
also human nature do you you know take

931
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,400
something that might be good and

932
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,599
wholesome and try to distort it to

933
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,839
their own self-serving needs well

934
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,720
there's a lot of fear okay and and if

935
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,359
you look at the history of religions

936
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,400
anytime a new religion shows up the old

937
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,359
religion is terrified and they demonize

938
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,880
the new religion

939
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,480
and they say oh those people are the

940
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,240
most demonic horrible thing you've ever

941
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,320
heard of you know and if you hang out

942
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,920
with them you're going straight to hell

943
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,960
or whatever they say you know that is

944
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,040
you see that over and over and over and

945
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,800
over again

946
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,160
so now what's happening is

947
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,960
paganism is growing

948
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,960
um it's growing it's one of the fastest

949
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,200
growing religious traditions in the

950
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,400
world

951
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,960
and it's coming back

952
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,800
there's a lot of reasons for that but

953
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,480
it's coming back

954
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,359
and that causes fear in people who are

955
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,040
used to kind of you know having their

956
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,440
own way and being in control and doing

957
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,040
things their way

958
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,359
and and they get scared and they feel

959
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,359
threatened

960
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,960
but wasn't paganism around

961
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,440
long before

962
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,839
judaism and christianity although

963
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,800
judaism seems pretty pagan in my two

964
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,440
cents of the word i got news for you all

965
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,320
the religions if you if you go deep

966
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,920
enough they're very pagan even

967
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,800
christianity all the christian holidays

968
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,760
like halloween which which is the old

969
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,320
celtic new year which is

970
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,440
probably our most important ritual time

971
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,200
because it's the festival of the

972
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,079
ancestors and the dead

973
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,800
became all saints day all souls day the

974
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,040
christians took it over

975
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,240
christmas

976
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,920
was saturday which was a pagan festival

977
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,000
when people would give each other gifts

978
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,000
and they would put little bits of holly

979
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,320
they would put the gift in a wrap it up

980
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,000
in a cloth and then put a little bit of

981
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,800
a sprig of holly and and the master

982
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,359
would give a gift to the slave and you

983
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,839
know it was a big party time and guess

984
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,200
what day it was it was december 25th

985
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,440
you know it's like so i mean you can

986
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,960
just go through the whole christian

987
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,960
calendar and they basically took over

988
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,040
all the pagan holidays

989
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,800
i think that jehovah's witnesses would

990
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,240
argue with that i think they don't like

991
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,800
that kind of thing but but in general

992
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,920
you know catholicism definitely

993
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,320
all their major holidays are pagan

994
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,920
holidays

995
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,560
and just think jesus wouldn't get you

996
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:39,920
know like

997
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,200
a holiday gift and a birthday present if

998
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,440
on his birthday because you know it fell

999
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:47,200
on a holiday

1000
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,920
oh

1001
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,160
sorry i think he i think he was born in

1002
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,040
the spring i think i think

1003
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,200
yeah they think he was born but but even

1004
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,119
that i mean there were the greeks the

1005
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,119
ancient greeks um

1006
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,640
celebrated uh the birth or the rebirth

1007
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,640
every year in the spring uh the young

1008
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,440
god dionysus was reborn and they had a

1009
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,480
big festival and they would they would

1010
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:12,640
sing this song i kid you not they would

1011
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,520
sing he is risen he is risen

1012
00:40:22,270 --> 00:40:19,280
that sound familiar

1013
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,280
yeah well didn't they also celebrate

1014
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,400
saturnalia like

1015
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,240
that was the romans that's different

1016
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,480
that was romans but but yeah what the

1017
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,640
church did was they took every time they

1018
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,560
found a big festival that everybody was

1019
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,720
used to celebrating they basically took

1020
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,960
it over

1021
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,400
so so

1022
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,880
all the religions have pagan roots all

1023
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,520
of them even islam

1024
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,400
originally it was allah and a lot his

1025
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:47,920
consort

1026
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,440
okay it was a male and a female deity

1027
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,400
um

1028
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,520
and in in judaism there was asherah who

1029
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,480
was a female goddess okay

1030
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,280
they later you know when the patriarchal

1031
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:03,680
ascendancy happened they dropped those

1032
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,480
but

1033
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,280
they you know

1034
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,520
we all have more in common than

1035
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,960
than we think

1036
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,000
you know

1037
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:16,790
but yeah people people get scared

1038
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,920
because there's this weird ooky spooky

1039
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,319
fantasy about witches that witches fly

1040
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:23,760
through the air

1041
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,800
you know there there were people doing

1042
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,040
doing spells um

1043
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,640
against each other but you know in

1044
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,720
christianity you have people who pray

1045
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:35,599
against people there are whole churches

1046
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,440
that will pray against something

1047
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:42,960
okay how is that any different

1048
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,750
well no because they're christian no

1049
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,760
don't even get me started don't even get

1050
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,440
me started

1051
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,520
if it was the christmas show see then

1052
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,760
i'd be like wow you know because then it

1053
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,599
would be christmas and i could like be

1054
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,440
mean but

1055
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,720
well

1056
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,400
there's yeah there's no point in being

1057
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,480
mean i think we all especially when you

1058
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,000
look at the way the world is going we

1059
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,640
all have to figure out how to get along

1060
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,560
how to be more tolerant not less

1061
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,280
tolerant and and you know it doesn't

1062
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,200
matter what kind of fundamentalist you

1063
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,200
are if you're a fundamentalist jew if

1064
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,440
you're a fundamentalist muslim if you're

1065
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,760
a fundamentalist christian you are a

1066
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:24,960
problem

1067
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,760
because a fundamentalist thinks my way

1068
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,520
or the highway

1069
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,720
and when they get really crazy they say

1070
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,359
my way or i will kill you you know

1071
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,200
that's what they do and so

1072
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,160
fundamentalism is the problem it's it's

1073
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,720
no individual religion doesn't matter if

1074
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,560
you're pagan if you're christian if

1075
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,560
you're hindu if you're a muslim it

1076
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,880
doesn't matter it's fundamentalism

1077
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,520
that's the problem anybody who says i

1078
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,960
have the one true and only face and

1079
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,760
anybody who doesn't follow my faith

1080
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,839
you know is doomed

1081
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,800
and

1082
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,640
they're not they're not

1083
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,560
a worthy human being they're not on the

1084
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,880
same level as i am

1085
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,000
i'm more evolved you know i i'm closer

1086
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:15,119
to the divine i'm closer to the gods or

1087
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,240
to god

1088
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,960
um because of my religion you know

1089
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,680
that's the problem right there

1090
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,079
well and it seems like you know people

1091
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,560
explore religion

1092
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,440
um because they want to feel closer to

1093
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:32,160
god or have more of a relationship

1094
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:33,599
with

1095
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,319
the universe you know whatever it is

1096
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,079
that they believe but they're looking to

1097
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,319
have this relationship

1098
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,309
it it it amazes me why we can't respect

1099
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,560
other people

1100
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,640
you know and their beliefs

1101
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,599
well you we humans have very puny little

1102
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,640
brains

1103
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,480
and if we think that we understand i

1104
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,720
mean think about the size of the

1105
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,000
universe

1106
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,079
we can't even think about it it's so big

1107
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,319
that it's impossible to even wrap your

1108
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,880
head around it

1109
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,560
so how could we

1110
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:13,040
little puny humans think

1111
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,520
that we have the corner on the truth

1112
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,680
it's so much bigger than anything you

1113
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,280
can put in a book

1114
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,040
it's so much bigger than anything you

1115
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,520
could put in a human head

1116
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,119
you know

1117
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,960
so if you just understand that it's vast

1118
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,319
and you don't have all the answers

1119
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,560
you know the only thing you can do is

1120
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,640
try to be kind

1121
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,920
and try

1122
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try you know to negotiate your life in

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such a way that you don't hurt other

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beings whether they're plant animal

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mineral

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human you know just

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try to live your life as well as you can

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and recognize that the same divine spark

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that created

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jesus or

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mary or

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who or buddha or whoever it's within

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every human it's within every animal

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00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,560
it's within every inch of soil

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00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,440
it's everywhere you know it's in the air

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00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:15,760
you can't it's like there's this old

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00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,520
sufi uh story about a fish

1138
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:21,200
swimming around in the ocean going

1139
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,470
okay that's bad

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00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,150
you can't get away from it where it's

1141
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,800
all sacred everything everything you

1142
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,040
look at everything you touch it's all

1143
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:41,440
sacred and if you can start from that

1144
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,280
it's not about transcending the earth

1145
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,960
it's about being here you know

1146
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,800
well you know we have to be here for

1147
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,599
quite a while and it would be nice if we

1148
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,079
could get along with each other

1149
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,480
and it just seems like the more

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00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,640
you know as time moves forward we get

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along less and less

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00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,960
which is really actually kind of scary

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00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,119
to me you know the direction that we're

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00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,880
moving in because there are so many

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people that want to embrace

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spirituality in a spiritual path and

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00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,200
that seems very evident to me yet we're

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not being more spiritually cohesive as a

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community

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well i thought about that a lot i think

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throughout history humans have always

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been bad to each other i mean there's

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been a lot of wars

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you know the vikings would come and

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trash your town

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00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,560
um or the the other tribes would come

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over the hill and they would steal your

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cows and or the the catholics would burn

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00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,280
the the protestants and the protestants

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00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,440
would burn the catholics and you know

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it's there's always something like that

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going on so

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the only thing that

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anybody can do who thinks about this

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00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,240
stuff is there always has to be a voice

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in the midst of the worst war whether it

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was world war ii

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in the concentration camps or you know

1179
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now when we have

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you know it seems like we're back in the

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00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,280
crusades again but but in the middle of

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00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,839
the craziness there always have to be

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voices no matter how hopeless it sounds

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00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,400
reminding people

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that doing violence to other people

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is not the way there's nothing glorious

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about war

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i mean i'm so proud of obama that he is

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a reticent warrior he doesn't want to go

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to war he goes to war because he's

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forced to

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you know i'm proud of him i think that's

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great

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00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,280
that's the proper attitude to have

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00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,680
towards war it is not a good thing and

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00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,000
you do everything in your power and you

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00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,000
you try to think your way through it and

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you you try to think of every possible

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alternative not to go to war you know

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and then if you if your back is against

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00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,880
the wall i guess sometimes you have to

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but

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there's nothing glorious about war

1204
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,720
there's nothing righteous about war

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00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:05,359
there's nothing wonderful about guns you

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know

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all this stuff there have to be voices

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00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,359
and that remind people you know that

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we're all in this together

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and that includes the animals and the

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plants and the trees and the water you

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00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,079
know back in ancient egypt

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polluting the water was punishable by

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death

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because if you polluted the water

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then the people downstream

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00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,839
were going to die because of your

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00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,040
actions

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00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,280
and yet in our culture we cheerfully

1220
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,280
pollute the water we think nothing of it

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00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,680
we're so used to having polluted water

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00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,920
you wouldn't think of drinking out of a

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00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,760
river you know because you would think

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00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,640
oh it's polluted right but they they

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00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,319
worked really hard to make sure that

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their water wasn't polluted

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00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,119
those are things we've forgotten you

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00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,880
know we pollute the air we pollute the

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00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,440
water we pollute the soil

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00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,319
we even pollute the fire we throw things

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00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,640
into fire that we shouldn't you know we

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00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,880
burn things that we shouldn't

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00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,920
um

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so i mean

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if you can see the divinity within all

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00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,160
creation then you stop doing that kind

1237
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,319
of thing or at least you think really

1238
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:17,920
long and hard before you would do

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00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:26,390
yeah

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00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,040
trying to figure out who they're they're

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00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,640
confused in the chat room so i was

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00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,559
trying to get them squared away sorry oh

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00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,000
what are they oh they're confused

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00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,480
because oh okay does anybody have a

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00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:39,680
question

1246
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,200
yes they did but you know what um

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00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,040
let's go to break right now and we will

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00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,280
come back with the question

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00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,040
okay so

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because it is that time

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here talking to ellen everett

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00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:00,079
hoffman about um her book being pagan

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her webpage is

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elleneverthopman.com and we'll be back

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okay so ellen oh so we're we're here

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00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,359
talking with ellen everett hoffman about

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00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,839
her book uh

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it's on the other side of the page

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00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,599
being a pagan

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00:57:50,589 --> 00:57:47,359
it's on the other side of the paper her

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00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,599
website is ellen everett hop

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00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,160
topman.com

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00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,240
um ellen there was a question in the

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00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,520
chat room and this was from lorraine and

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00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,960
her question was

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00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,040
what crystal would be your

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00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,680
recommendation to complement a flower

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00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,839
garden in a cold region

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00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,799
wow

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00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,440
that is a great question

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00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,960
um well

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00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,200
gee whiz um i don't know how cold she

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00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,119
means um

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00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,440
a couple of things if you're trying to

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00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,200
attract fairies i'm not sure what you're

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00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,799
trying to do but the fairies love the

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00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,200
color blue i can tell you that right off

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00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,799
the bat

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00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,280
and um if she wants to know more about

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00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,839
fairies i can talk about that but i i

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00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,799
like to have blue crystals

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00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,280
uh around the garden and i also try to

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00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,520
have blue flowers

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00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,480
because that's what the fairies like

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00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,880
and then i will tell you if you're

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00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,280
interested in in crystals

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00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,359
that my second novel which we haven't

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00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,880
really talked about my novels but i have

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00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,359
a novel called the druid aisle

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00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,520
it's my second novel in a trilogy but

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00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,920
that one in particular it's about druid

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00:59:03,109 --> 00:58:59,440
trainings

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00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,119
and each training has a specific crystal

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00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,920
that goes with it

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00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,280
so

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00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,960
if you're interested in crystals you can

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00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,000
actually do the initiations and there's

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00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,160
you know like amethyst clear quartz

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00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,400
turquoise so on uh

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00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,400
that go with the specific druidic

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00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,839
initiation so i don't know if that

1458
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,000
answered her question i because i'm not

1459
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,799
sure exactly what she's trying to do in

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00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,799
the garden well i'm sure she'll ask a

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00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,359
follow-up i might the people in the chat

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00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,520
room were definitely not shy

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00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,440
so okay

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00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,799
and you know you're talking about

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00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:36,880
fairies and um

1466
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,400
actually i had an email from tiffany

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00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,839
and it was really interesting because

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00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:44,720
this came in today and so tiffany asked

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00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,119
me do you have any past shows on fairies

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00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,440
or will you in the future i'm having a

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00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,040
hard time

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00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,040
finding specifics on blue fairies

1473
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,880
there is one there was one in my bedroom

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01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,040
a few nights ago it looked like a blue

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01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,960
oar but it would had

1476
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,799
batting little wings it kept bouncing

1477
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,040
off the walls will you find a special

1478
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,280
guest to talk about them on your show

1479
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,559
please

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01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,480
thank you for your time love your show

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01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:11,680
tiffany

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01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,440
interesting okay now i have not seen

1483
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,000
i tend to hear them more than see them

1484
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,520
okay i've i've heard the fairies singing

1485
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,760
and i've heard that a couple of times

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01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,640
um

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01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,640
the loudest was when i was in an old

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01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,880
growth forest in western massachusetts

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01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,720
doing a fast

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01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,040
and i could hear them clear as day it

1491
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,280
was like this gorgeous

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01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,599
three-part harmony that just went on and

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01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,680
on and on in a language that i didn't

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01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,000
understand it was crystal clear and i'm

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01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,760
told by musicians that three-part

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01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,400
harmony is absolutely the hardest thing

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01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,319
to to do and that's what they do because

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01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:50,480
they've had a lot of time to practice

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01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,839
you know they've had thousands of years

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01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:53,280
to practice

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01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:56,720
i've never seen a blue fairy but i have

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01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,000
seen something blue and i thought it was

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01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,680
an angel

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01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,599
it was like a blue

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01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:05,520
a kind of like an orb but it was

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01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,559
elongated and then it had gold

1507
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:11,200
around that

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01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,079
and

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01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,079
the sense that i had was that it was an

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01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,040
angel it was angelic

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01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,720
so what would be the difference between

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01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,640
an angel and a fairy yeah i knew you

1513
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,400
were gonna say that i knew you knew it

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01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,280
was in the old scottish tradition

1515
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,040
now in the old scottish tradition they

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01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:29,280
teach that the fairies were actually

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01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:35,670
and and that's what they are they're the

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01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,559
ones who who fell out of heaven

1519
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,280
and they were following lucifer lucifer

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01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,359
is was a bright light

1521
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,160
he wasn't this red guy with with horns

1522
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,760
and a pitchfork that had nothing to do

1523
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,000
with it okay that came much later

1524
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,640
lucifer was this bright light and

1525
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:56,000
lucifer uh was challenging god basically

1526
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:56,960
saying

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01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,680
you know i'm not content to be in the in

1528
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,920
the sky you know doing whatever the

1529
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,720
other angels do you know i i'm too smart

1530
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:06,960
for that you know and so god kicked him

1531
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,839
out of heaven so the story goes well in

1532
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,440
scottish tradition they say all the

1533
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,319
angels that fell the fallen angels that

1534
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,839
fell

1535
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:19,280
the fairies

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01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,359
the ground

1537
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,280
and that's called the she realm and

1538
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,119
celtic tradition

1539
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,799
cool

1540
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,640
okay so

1541
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,559
go ahead go ahead i was just gonna say

1542
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,960
it's also water it's the realm of water

1543
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,119
water they the way they've envisioned

1544
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,119
the the world they they felt that there

1545
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,520
was water because if you dig down you

1546
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,520
hit water right especially if you're in

1547
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,760
ireland you dig down a few feet there's

1548
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,480
water so they they visualized that that

1549
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,240
there was water

1550
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,280
a realm of water under the ground

1551
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,119
and that's where the ancestors and the

1552
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,870
interesting okay so this is a question

1553
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,960
from marco

1554
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,480
um

1555
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,119
and he put seriously this is my question

1556
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,960
after the question but

1557
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,520
i get it is the earth alive and are we

1558
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,559
just parasites on it

1559
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,200
yes the earth is alive and we are part

1560
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:19,280
of the earth

1561
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,829
and we're a little out of control right

1562
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,039
now

1563
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,359
i mean i understand the question because

1564
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,400
right now we're like a species that has

1565
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,880
uh left its you know every species has a

1566
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:35,920
niche

1567
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,319
um in the if you study uh ecology or in

1568
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,039
environmentalism every species has a

1569
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,520
function we've gone way beyond the

1570
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,680
bounds of where we're supposed to be so

1571
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:49,680
i understand um

1572
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,559
it's a heat right is it a he marco yeah

1573
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:54,319
it's i understand where that's coming

1574
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:55,200
from

1575
01:04:02,789 --> 01:03:59,599
but we are also part of the earth

1576
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,799
so the earth it may be waking up you

1577
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:04,720
know just like a human who's

1578
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,119
who's eating hohos and

1579
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,440
and coca-cola and

1580
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,880
you know

1581
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:12,880
really bad junk food and then they

1582
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,039
realize oh this is making me sick and

1583
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,280
then they change their way of living

1584
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:19,200
and they start doing yoga and they eat

1585
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,960
vegetables you know

1586
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:22,400
maybe that's what's happening to the

1587
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,359
earth

1588
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,359
those of us who are becoming conscious

1589
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,520
and realizing that that what humans are

1590
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,000
doing is not sustainable

1591
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,880
that is the earth itself

1592
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:35,200
waking up

1593
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,240
that something is not right here

1594
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,599
does that make sense

1595
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:42,000
that totally makes sense i remember

1596
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,640
years ago i had gone camping in big sur

1597
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,440
and they had had um which i didn't

1598
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,920
realize it when we went camping but you

1599
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:54,319
know i guess i knew sort of that they

1600
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,359
had uh had um a big fire

1601
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:59,039
like the year before

1602
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,400
and so there was a group of us they were

1603
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,400
like hey let's go look at where the fire

1604
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:04,400
was you know and so we go walk over

1605
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,280
there

1606
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:07,760
and i'm standing kind of on this hilltop

1607
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,200
looking down and it was just all burned

1608
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,549
all i kept hearing was

1609
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:18,720
leave me alone

1610
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,799
wanted people to just go away and let

1611
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,359
her heal it was just so sad i just

1612
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,280
wanted to go

1613
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,839
not only that but fires are actually

1614
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,160
necessary

1615
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,920
it turns out that you know the giant

1616
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,680
sequoias the redwoods that have been

1617
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,160
around for 5000 years

1618
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,559
if a big fire goes through and you can

1619
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,240
see it if you hang out with the redwoods

1620
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,400
you'll see that the bottom of the trees

1621
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,319
is often burned

1622
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,400
because they withstand a fire they're

1623
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:53,039
designed to withstand a fire the fire

1624
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,319
goes through

1625
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,640
it burns out the underbrush

1626
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,520
and then seedlings can come up because

1627
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,599
there's there's a cleared area and now

1628
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:04,000
there's enough light so that new growth

1629
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,119
can occur

1630
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,440
here in new england

1631
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,960
where i am

1632
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:11,359
the indians understood this

1633
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:15,280
and they would regularly burn the forest

1634
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,640
now we don't allow that so what happens

1635
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,960
lyme disease lyme disease happens

1636
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,559
because the ticks

1637
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,319
are proliferating

1638
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,359
because the undergrowth in the forest is

1639
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,760
never burned away

1640
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,599
if you if you constantly burn the

1641
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,440
understory then you have

1642
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:36,079
nothing but grass

1643
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,760
and the grass

1644
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:40,240
feeds the deer so you have more deer you

1645
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:41,760
have more game

1646
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,880
more food to eat

1647
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:46,880
and the ticks can't you know it kills

1648
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:49,839
off all the ticks and it kills off the

1649
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:52,240
insects you don't have to spray things

1650
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,839
with raid and you know toxic chemicals

1651
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,200
you just burn

1652
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,039
and so

1653
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,319
a fire can actually be exactly what a

1654
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,950
there's certain trees that can't

1655
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,760
reproduce at all unless their cones

1656
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:11,920
go through a fire and then the cones

1657
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,280
open and release their seats

1658
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,160
well and it just seemed like

1659
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,200
that area just wanted to

1660
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:23,839
heal and be left alone and not have

1661
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,400
people tromping all on it and it just

1662
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,880
really wanted its space i mean basically

1663
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,920
it wanted its space and and people could

1664
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,079
not hear the cries

1665
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:35,839
and let her just

1666
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,640
be

1667
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,880
it was so sad

1668
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,000
well

1669
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:41,760
yeah that's what i think that's what

1670
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,319
marco meant when when he asked about are

1671
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,240
we parasites because

1672
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,319
we're killing off the animals half the

1673
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,480
animals are gone now that that came out

1674
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,000
in the news recently

1675
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,079
since 1970

1676
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:56,720
half the animals on the planet are gone

1677
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,680
now

1678
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,440
um

1679
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,960
you know that's just in the last 40

1680
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,200
years we've killed off half the plant

1681
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:04,960
the animals on the planet

1682
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:07,200
yeah i mean more and more people are

1683
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,839
choosing not to have

1684
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,039
children you know people are taking

1685
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,680
steps but you know we have a ways to go

1686
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,960
yet

1687
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:17,440
and we are part of nature

1688
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,640
we are

1689
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:19,920
and um

1690
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,229
so this is a question from carol and she

1691
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,199
brings up the concept of uh the

1692
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,080
superstition on knocking on wood

1693
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,040
and her comment was it came from a druid

1694
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:37,359
practice of knocking on trees as they

1695
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,239
enter the forest to assure safe passage

1696
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,309
hmm

1697
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,520
that's interesting um i honestly i don't

1698
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,080
know i i don't remember

1699
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,719
reading about that but it makes sense

1700
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,199
because um okay

1701
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,600
there's a spirit for example that lives

1702
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,159
in an oak tree uh it's called mukhnak

1703
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,960
nadruz which is the spirit of the oak

1704
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,600
and it's when i when i've seen that

1705
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,359
spirit it's like this little man he's

1706
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,640
got a beard

1707
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,640
and um

1708
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,560
the oak tree

1709
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,640
uh you can travel if you've ever done

1710
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,319
shamanic work you can travel down

1711
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,759
through the roots to the underworld you

1712
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,199
can travel up through the branches to

1713
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,679
the sky world so when you're knocking on

1714
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,799
the wood

1715
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,279
you're literally announcing yourself to

1716
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,759
the spirits you're saying i'm here

1717
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,960
and you're also waking them up

1718
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:32,880
you know it's just kind of

1719
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,159
when i go into a forest i like to pause

1720
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,880
i like to stop right at the entrance to

1721
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,719
the forest

1722
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:42,480
and

1723
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,000
make an offering to the stone because

1724
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,960
the stone is a guardian um

1725
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,960
sometimes uh

1726
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,640
well i do the same thing when i enter a

1727
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,440
stone circle you know if i go into some

1728
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,520
place like stonehenge or the roll-ride

1729
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,440
stones or we have stone circles here in

1730
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,199
western mass

1731
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,800
i will touch each stone with my hand as

1732
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,320
a way of greeting

1733
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,600
the spirit that is in the stone

1734
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,199
and it's just a way it's just a way of

1735
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,840
announcing yourself and and saying i'm

1736
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,880
here

1737
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,120
you know i i

1738
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,520
know that you're there you know that i'm

1739
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,239
here we're aware of each other you know

1740
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,199
i'm not an unconscious blundering human

1741
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,280
who's just gonna go tromping into the

1742
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,920
forest and shoot something you know i'm

1743
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,120
an aware

1744
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,520
sentient being i'm going to be very

1745
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,719
respectful

1746
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,840
i know that when i go into the woods

1747
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,320
i'm entering into somebody's living room

1748
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,679
literally

1749
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,640
i'm going into their home

1750
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,880
and

1751
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,159
that's the way i would think of it

1752
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,320
but there are but there's another aspect

1753
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,120
also which is that there's certain woods

1754
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,880
there's certain trees that are

1755
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,760
inherently protective like the round or

1756
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,920
the mountain ash

1757
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,520
again that's i'm thinking of scottish

1758
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,840
tradition again but the rowland there's

1759
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,560
certain trees that that are very

1760
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,880
magically protective

1761
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:13,280
and if you carry a piece of rowland or

1762
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:14,239
if you

1763
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,600
round

1764
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,120
you know it's a way of shielding and

1765
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,159
protecting yourself

1766
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,560
i never even heard of that tree

1767
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,600
it's mountain ash oh mountain ash yeah

1768
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,440
american mountain ash or european

1769
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,840
mountain ash rowland is the old uh

1770
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,360
scottish

1771
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:35,440
name for it rally tree but

1772
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,400
it's it's so magically protective that

1773
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
when they built a house they would

1774
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,320
always put a piece of raul and wood in

1775
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,239
the chimney as they were building the

1776
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,159
chimney and that was to protect the

1777
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,239
house from being struck by lightning or

1778
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,239
from from burning down

1779
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,560
they would hang branches of it over the

1780
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,280
entrance to to the barn to protect the

1781
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,880
animals they would tie it around the

1782
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,320
animal's

1783
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,960
neck or tie it to their tail to protect

1784
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,880
them from diseases

1785
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,120
they would put it over the the doorway

1786
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,880
so that people coming and going would be

1787
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,640
protected they would put it

1788
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,880
in the baby's cradle or hang it over the

1789
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,960
baby's cradle or put it under the baby's

1790
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,560
cradle you know

1791
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,000
um

1792
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,600
they would plant one

1793
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,400
near the house

1794
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,320
you know they even had a saying woe to

1795
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,880
those with no rallying tree near it was

1796
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:27,280
considered really important to have one

1797
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,830
well see now i'm gonna have to ask it's

1798
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,719
like do we got any mountain ash tree

1799
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,920
things

1800
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,440
in our yard

1801
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,360
well you should

1802
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,360
well you know and it could happen i just

1803
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,040
you know know the pecans because the

1804
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,840
squirrels keep throwing those nuts at us

1805
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,320
and the dog that's the funniest when she

1806
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:52,400
the squirrels throw the pecans at the

1807
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:58,950
it is because they just lay there

1808
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:02,080
they're dumb and you know they get hit

1809
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:03,120
but

1810
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,560
anyway that's pretty funny um

1811
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:08,800
you know when we talk about paganism in

1812
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,360
a more celtic kind of way

1813
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,080
what draws people in you know there's

1814
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,239
what we see on tv

1815
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:19,280
and and the misnomers that are put out

1816
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,560
there

1817
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,640
but what is it that

1818
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:24,080
makes people

1819
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,440
like yourself

1820
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,600
feel like that's the path that you want

1821
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:29,760
to go down

1822
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,229
well honestly um

1823
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,320
again everybody's different you know

1824
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,840
some people are

1825
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,000
you really do meet people who are in

1826
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,320
rebellion you know against they were

1827
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,159
raised catholic and they're recovering

1828
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,400
catholics you know or they were raised

1829
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,480
baptists or whatever and they're trying

1830
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:52,880
to recover from their childhood

1831
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,400
i was not burdened with any of that um

1832
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,280
my parents i had a very strange

1833
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,400
upbringing

1834
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,159
because i went to

1835
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,960
a catholic nursery school

1836
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,400
um

1837
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,159
let's see i went to an american public

1838
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:09,760
school then we went back to europe i

1839
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:12,840
went to a school that was catholic and

1840
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,920
spanish uh in the morning and german and

1841
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,400
protestant in the afternoon so i do

1842
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,640
speak spanish and german

1843
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,199
then they sent me to a quaker school

1844
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,520
where i i learned uh

1845
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,360
that would be interesting

1846
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,840
yeah then they sent me to

1847
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,840
the putney school which was founded by a

1848
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,400
communist

1849
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,520
then i finished up i went to a military

1850
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,440
american military school because i went

1851
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,280
back to germany and and went to an

1852
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,440
american military school

1853
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:44,880
so

1854
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,840
you know i had no there was no religion

1855
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:49,920
that i could point to and say oh my god

1856
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,159
i'm being oppressed i have to rebel i

1857
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,719
wasn't rebelling against anything i just

1858
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:57,520
had a you know a memory i guess a

1859
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:00,080
childhood memory of the celts

1860
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:04,400
and i also had a profound love of nature

1861
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,600
and

1862
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,960
so i was going i i gravitated towards

1863
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,880
paganism because it was a nature

1864
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,560
religion

1865
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,000
and

1866
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,920
other people have a completely different

1867
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,000
experience they're trying to break away

1868
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,000
from you know something that they were

1869
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,640
raised as so they're actually rebelling

1870
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,199
against something i never had that

1871
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,360
you know but everybody's different

1872
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,040
and some people

1873
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,199
have a very deep

1874
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,600
feeling about their ancestors some

1875
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,800
people

1876
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,440
have scottish heritage or irish heritage

1877
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,760
or even french or german heritage or

1878
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,800
austrian heritage or whatever it is and

1879
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,520
they look back to their ancestors

1880
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:47,280
and they realized that their deep

1881
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,880
ancestors were not christians

1882
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,480
and then all of a sudden they find that

1883
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,239
they're really into that

1884
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,679
maybe they had viking ancestors you know

1885
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,280
and then they they go into it for that

1886
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,199
reason and i think that's particularly

1887
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,120
true for americans i think a lot of

1888
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,640
americans are

1889
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,800
because we are such a

1890
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,520
this society is so mixed there are

1891
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,360
people that are trying really hard to

1892
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,600
find out their roots and

1893
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,440
you know who they are and where they

1894
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,000
where they came from and um

1895
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,159
and so there that's how they end up

1896
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,640
being a pagan especially a druid or a

1897
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,880
celtic pagan because they look back at

1898
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,280
their their ancestry so it's it's

1899
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:32,870
well it seems like

1900
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,199
over the

1901
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,600
i don't know last 20 or 30 years i you

1902
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,840
know i don't really want to quantify it

1903
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:40,719
that

1904
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,120
there are more and more people looking

1905
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,400
at this spiritual tradition as a path

1906
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,400
that they want to follow and you know

1907
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:50,719
especially like in texas which i found

1908
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,920
very interesting there is a huge pagan

1909
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,159
community oh yeah it's everywhere it's

1910
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,120
everywhere we're hiding in plain sight

1911
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,199
you know people still think of us a lot

1912
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:03,280
of people think of us as as you know

1913
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,719
some strange

1914
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,440
kooky minority but we're not we're

1915
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:08,800
everywhere

1916
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,520
i mean if you knew you probably every

1917
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,440
person listening to this probably has a

1918
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,320
pagan neighbor or a pagan co-worker i

1919
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,480
mean we're everywhere we're i like to

1920
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,360
say we're hiding in plain sight

1921
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,280
and it's because officially we don't

1922
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,640
exist

1923
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,960
it's kind of like mountain lions here in

1924
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,120
massachusetts people kept seeing

1925
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,640
mountain lions

1926
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,040
and then the the fish and

1927
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:35,040
wildlife uh people would say oh no

1928
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:36,560
there's no mountain lions in in

1929
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:38,800
massachusetts and people kept seeing

1930
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,320
them and i mean i i moved here in 1986

1931
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,880
and it was until last year that some

1932
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,600
scientists finally got a photograph

1933
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:49,600
of a mountain lion

1934
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:52,640
not just a few miles from my house

1935
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:55,920
and so now they have to go oh yup

1936
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,000
there's mountain lions but everybody

1937
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,480
knows it's like bigfoot

1938
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,800
well we knew there were mountain lions

1939
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,239
everybody knew it

1940
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,480
but but the official dogma was there are

1941
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,400
no mountain lions but it's the same

1942
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:10,400
thing with pagans you know oh it's a

1943
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,520
minority

1944
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,800
they're kooky

1945
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:15,120
they don't exist really

1946
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:20,950
okay so

1947
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,280
lorraine has another question and she

1948
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:24,719
wants to know

1949
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,440
um the pagan wigs are very empowering

1950
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,239
for women is the bulk of the increase of

1951
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:32,080
people following

1952
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,480
women or are men drawn in also

1953
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,880
it depends what tradition you're looking

1954
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,640
at there are a lot of witchcraft

1955
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:43,280
traditions that are predominantly female

1956
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,640
i think there are some that are

1957
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,280
exclusively female but that's rare

1958
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,960
and then a lot of them are predominantly

1959
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,159
female

1960
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,080
because it's one of the few religions

1961
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:54,880
that allows women to be full-fledged

1962
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,080
priests you know or priestesses

1963
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,120
other religions usually don't allow that

1964
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:03,360
i mean judaism has started to do that

1965
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,360
reform judaism

1966
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:07,280
and then there's some protestant female

1967
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:08,719
clergy but

1968
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:10,920
um you know paganism has very

1969
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:14,640
enthusiastically embraced female clergy

1970
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,679
and um that's because we have goddesses

1971
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:19,280
you know and the goddesses are just as

1972
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,960
important as the gods

1973
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,800
for some people even more important than

1974
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,880
the gods because some people say that

1975
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:25,920
that

1976
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,360
gods and goddesses came out of the

1977
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:31,920
goddess you know um

1978
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,440
so but for druids it's about 50 50.

1979
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:37,679
we tend to be about 50 percent

1980
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,430
and it's i mean there's still more male

1981
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,199
leaders which is kind of

1982
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,920
curious and somewhat upsetting

1983
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:49,520
even though it's 50 50 there's still

1984
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,000
more men in leadership positions

1985
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,520
but women have tried and and succeeded

1986
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,520
i'm one of them

1987
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:58,719
with much

1988
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,080
opposition i must say that

1989
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:04,719
women do attain positions of uh

1990
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,920
leadership within druidism but boy it's

1991
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,080
like politics it's rough

1992
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,520
that's probably why most women don't

1993
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,870
that's why they go to those girl ones um

1994
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,880
and this is from bill is there any

1995
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:21,199
movement to try to make this a

1996
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:28,229
to try to make it a recognized religion

1997
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:36,550
that's what i thought but i figured i

1998
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,520
would

1999
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:40,080
pose the question anyway recognized by

2000
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,400
whom the pope

2001
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,719
we actually there was actually a

2002
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:46,960
campaign it was called the papal apology

2003
01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:50,239
project which you can um google

2004
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,640
and and it was very interesting because

2005
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,199
this was the very first international

2006
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,719
pagan effort

2007
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,560
where pagan leaders from all around the

2008
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,480
world came together and we petitioned

2009
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,480
the pope i was one of them

2010
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,880
and we actually wrote a letter to the

2011
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:05,760
pope

2012
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:08,719
and we asked for an apology for all the

2013
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,520
quote unquote witches who were burned

2014
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,679
you know and all the the people in the

2015
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:16,080
inquisition who suffered

2016
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,360
um

2017
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,159
but we didn't get the apology of course

2018
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,040
so the pope doesn't recognize us um

2019
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:25,280
or hasn't maybe francis will come

2020
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:27,760
through he's different he's amazing but

2021
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,110
but um

2022
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,840
yeah i mean even the unitarian church

2023
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:38,239
has a covenant of unitarian universalist

2024
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,790
i'm not sure what they mean by

2025
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,960
officially recognized religion i'm not

2026
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,040
sure what they mean by that

2027
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:49,040
well i mean you know that if you're in

2028
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,760
the military and you're pagan that you

2029
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:53,679
can actually have like a pig and marker

2030
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:59,910
it took nine years and the threat of a

2031
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,760
lawsuit

2032
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,000
because uh george bush famously said

2033
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,080
that uh witchcraft was not a religion

2034
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:07,840
that was his pronouncement

2035
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,199
um

2036
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,600
but it took nine years of effort and

2037
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:14,239
then the va kept changing its rules even

2038
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:15,760
though they've accepted if you if you

2039
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:19,600
look at the va accepted symbols

2040
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,480
i don't know how many there are 50 60.

2041
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,239
everybody has a symbol including the

2042
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:26,400
atheists but they would not accept the

2043
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:27,760
pentagram

2044
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,040
because they would not accept that it

2045
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:30,880
was a religion so then there was the

2046
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,639
threat of a lawsuit

2047
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,960
because you can't do that in america

2048
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,639
and um

2049
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:39,120
the va finally said well

2050
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,199
uh if somebody dies if if a soldier dies

2051
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,520
and they or their family

2052
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:47,840
asks for the pentagram to be on their

2053
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,400
military marker then we'll do it so we

2054
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,560
had to wait till somebody died and had

2055
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,719
filled out all the paperwork and then

2056
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,800
that finally happened and they still

2057
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,719
were opposed to it and then there was

2058
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,560
the threat of the lawsuit

2059
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,880
and then finally they had to give in now

2060
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,320
we're going through the same thing with

2061
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:06,080
druids

2062
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,239
we did uh we we had a vote

2063
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,159
and this was years ago we went to all

2064
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:14,239
the druid orders and we had a number of

2065
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,920
different symbols we said which symbol

2066
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,080
would you want and everybody voted and

2067
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,360
they came up with one symbol and we we

2068
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,960
filled out all the paperwork we sent it

2069
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,159
to the va

2070
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,800
and they they hemmed and haud and hendon

2071
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,719
and then they changed their rules again

2072
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:31,280
and then they said well you know until

2073
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,360
you have a deceased

2074
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,000
druid veteran

2075
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,639
where they or their family or their

2076
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,199
clergy person have requested that symbol

2077
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:43,760
we're not going to do anything

2078
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:46,960
so we have a lot of druid vets including

2079
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:49,760
people who've seen active service

2080
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:52,719
but we haven't yet had a deceased druid

2081
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,360
vet who filled out the correct paperwork

2082
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,199
and they or their family or their clergy

2083
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:58,800
after the druid symbol so that's what

2084
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,159
we're waiting for it's sad but that's so

2085
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,159
as soon as that happens then we can move

2086
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,320
forward with the druid we'll see if i

2087
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,239
had known that

2088
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,400
you know because my husband passed away

2089
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,199
and he would have so taken any kind of

2090
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,679
druid wizard symbol to put on his grave

2091
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,199
because i wouldn't put any of the

2092
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,880
symbols that they had

2093
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:20,000
on his

2094
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,120
marker

2095
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,760
well if you're you're his family member

2096
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,159
so you can you can request it you could

2097
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,159
request the pentagram

2098
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,159
uh i wouldn't put the pentagram we'll

2099
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,760
have to talk you'll have to send me the

2100
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,440
symbol we'll talk

2101
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,920
we'll talk yeah no he wouldn't he would

2102
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,679
oh god his family would have a heart

2103
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,360
attack if i put a pentagram on there

2104
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,360
that was the kindest thing that i didn't

2105
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,920
do but i wasn't going to put a cross on

2106
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:45,920
there

2107
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,440
but no his his his nickname was wizard

2108
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:52,000
skull bone so i think putting a druid

2109
01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:01,110
very okay well we'll

2110
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,390
um

2111
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,800
but why is the pentagram

2112
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,120
associated you know the pentagram just

2113
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,440
has such a bad rap

2114
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:11,920
in the first place you know why is it

2115
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,080
associated with paganism and wouldn't it

2116
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,080
be maybe better if they got like a

2117
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:17,760
different symbol so that people don't

2118
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,480
think that they're devil worshippers

2119
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:22,960
because of the pain pentagram thing

2120
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,560
the pentagram is uh right a star that's

2121
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:28,639
right side up

2122
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,719
the satanic star is an upside down star

2123
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,719
where the horns are up

2124
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,480
so first of all people are not looking

2125
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:38,159
very carefully

2126
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,360
and

2127
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,280
the by the way

2128
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,120
this is really confusing but some of the

2129
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:45,520
nicest people i know are satanists it's

2130
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:53,270
they just believe in total you know self

2131
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,760
reliance and free will and all that kind

2132
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:58,080
of stuff and and there was one guy who

2133
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,679
was a satanist who actually was a

2134
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,440
co-worker of mine and he used to bring a

2135
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,440
teddy bear to work which i found

2136
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,000
incredibly confusing but anyway yeah the

2137
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,199
satanic star has the points

2138
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,960
up like horns

2139
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:12,960
the the pentagram

2140
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:16,000
doesn't it just looks like a star

2141
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,600
with one point at the top and then the

2142
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,760
two arms and then the the two legs

2143
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,120
coming down

2144
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,000
that's the leonardo da vinci used that

2145
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,440
symbol the symbol of the perfect man

2146
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,440
remember when he had the group made the

2147
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,120
famous drawing the man with the arms

2148
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,199
stretched out and the two legs that's a

2149
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,600
pentagram

2150
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:38,239
and it symbolizes earth air fire and

2151
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:41,360
water and the perfected human

2152
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,480
so not any like devil

2153
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:46,400
has nothing to say

2154
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:47,920
or any of that stuff

2155
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:50,960
well pagan yes devil no first of all the

2156
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,719
devil is a is a

2157
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,480
christian deity

2158
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,360
pagans don't have anything to do with

2159
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,280
the devil we don't worship the devil we

2160
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:01,440
don't have anything to do with the devil

2161
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,880
that is a judeo-christian fantasy

2162
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:06,639
about us

2163
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,560
the devil or shaitaan for the muslims

2164
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,400
that's their thing has nothing to do

2165
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,760
with us

2166
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,120
um

2167
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,000
and and okay what the what satanism

2168
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:19,679
where the church of satan does is they

2169
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,679
like to take anything if it's a cross

2170
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,840
they turn it upside down

2171
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,679
that's a symbol of

2172
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,520
of uh

2173
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,600
i don't want to say disrespect for some

2174
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,360
of them it's disrespect for some of them

2175
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:33,040
they're just saying we're beyond all

2176
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,880
that you know they take the the wiccan

2177
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:39,280
pentacle or the pentagram and they turn

2178
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:40,719
it upside down

2179
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:43,120
just like they do with the cross

2180
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,560
because they're saying we're not part of

2181
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,400
that either and we're going to turn it

2182
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,760
upside down and disrespect it

2183
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:51,760
has nothing to do with us

2184
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:54,639
and in fact we think of satanism as a

2185
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,400
christian sect

2186
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,920
because they're so

2187
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,320
they're so fascinated with the devil and

2188
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,800
the devil is a judeo-christian god he's

2189
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,360
a judeo-christian deity has nothing to

2190
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:08,159
do with earth-worshipping pagans you

2191
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,470
this is complicated isn't it

2192
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:16,639
no it's really good because you know

2193
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,880
there are so many people that have these

2194
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,560
beliefs

2195
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,639
that

2196
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,320
aren't really true

2197
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,960
yeah it's based on fear fear and

2198
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:28,719
propaganda

2199
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,400
devil is a judeo-christian thing has

2200
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,960
nothing to do with us

2201
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:38,639
that's all you have to know

2202
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,320
yeah

2203
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:45,910
so a little earlier you were mentioning

2204
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:48,960
about um the different holidays and you

2205
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,600
know we have halloween coming up um and

2206
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,480
i know that that's a big pagan holiday

2207
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,880
um can you go into a little bit of

2208
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:58,560
detail about

2209
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,600
um you know what that holiday symbolizes

2210
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,239
where it comes from and the importance

2211
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:06,320
of it in your

2212
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,239
tradition

2213
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,719
well we call it salon that's the old

2214
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,920
celtic term not samhain drives us crazy

2215
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:15,679
when people call it that

2216
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,880
um it's called salon um it's the celtic

2217
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,639
new year it's the beginning

2218
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:22,960
for the celts there the year only had

2219
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,960
two seasons you had winter and you had

2220
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,320
summer

2221
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:28,800
so salon or halloween is the beginning

2222
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,520
of the dark half of the year and beltane

2223
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,080
or bialtena or mayday is the beginning

2224
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,159
of the light half of the year

2225
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:37,920
and they're both equally important and

2226
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,920
they were both spirit nights they were

2227
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,199
both

2228
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:43,520
times when the walls between the worlds

2229
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:45,120
were very thin

2230
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:47,120
it was very easy for the fairies and the

2231
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:48,320
spirits

2232
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:50,560
and the ancestors to cross over it was a

2233
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:52,159
really good time to communicate with the

2234
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:53,360
dead

2235
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,840
um what happened with beltane or

2236
01:30:03,270 --> 01:29:59,760
bialtona or mayday

2237
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:03,280
was in the 1950s

2238
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:05,199
the russians and i guess they still do

2239
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,840
the russians have this big mayday parade

2240
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:08,719
so

2241
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:11,760
i remember i still remember when i went

2242
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:13,600
to kindergarten

2243
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,400
and it would have been i don't know 1959

2244
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:18,960
or something i remember that we made may

2245
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,080
baskets and public schools used to

2246
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,760
celebrate mayday

2247
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:26,080
but because of the cold war and because

2248
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,280
of the russian military parades they

2249
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,760
officially squashed mayday and they said

2250
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:33,679
you will not celebrate it anymore so

2251
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,679
it's a banned holiday in this country

2252
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:39,040
um

2253
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,639
but up until

2254
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:43,040
the late 1950s

2255
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,719
you know just like we celebrate

2256
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:47,199
halloween we were also celebrating may

2257
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:48,480
day

2258
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:49,360
and

2259
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:51,520
if you think of those there the reason

2260
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:54,560
that that uh the walls are thin between

2261
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,560
the worlds is because

2262
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,159
it's a time of

2263
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:00,320
of change you know when you're moving

2264
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:02,880
from summer into winter it's a time of

2265
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,600
chaos because the season is changing you

2266
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:07,440
know how people get tend to get sick

2267
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,360
when the weather changes it's because

2268
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:11,679
everything's changing and your body is

2269
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:13,920
reacting to that and people tend to get

2270
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,280
colds at that time you know um so

2271
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,840
at salon or halloween what's going on is

2272
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:22,080
the vegetation is dying

2273
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,840
the animals are coming down from the

2274
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,120
hills

2275
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,080
in the old days the cows were taken out

2276
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:30,560
at may days when you took the cows up to

2277
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,600
the hills for their summer pasture and

2278
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:35,679
at halloween or salon is when the cows

2279
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:38,880
came down and that's just that's a

2280
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:42,719
natural cycle if you went to um

2281
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,920
yellowstone for example or yosemite

2282
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,840
and you you saw the buffalo wherever the

2283
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,920
buffalo are the buffalo would do the

2284
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:51,840
same thing in the summer they go up the

2285
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:54,400
hills and in the winter they come down

2286
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,159
to the valley

2287
01:32:01,590 --> 01:31:58,719
um so that's just a cycle that that's

2288
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,600
been going on for millions of years but

2289
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:03,520
that was a way of officially marking

2290
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,360
that and um when the cows came down at

2291
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,679
halloween the cows would come down from

2292
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:10,800
the hills

2293
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:11,840
and

2294
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,120
then you had to figure out how much

2295
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:17,040
food you had to get the cows through the

2296
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,320
winter

2297
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:21,199
and you either had hay enough hay stored

2298
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:24,719
or they would actually use tree leaves

2299
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,120
in the barn for the winter and if you

2300
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:29,040
didn't have enough food for the cows to

2301
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,040
get them through the winter then you had

2302
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,320
to start slaughtering some of the cows

2303
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:35,760
and then you would make them into

2304
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,320
sausages you know so the vegetation is

2305
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:40,880
dying because of the cold weather the

2306
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:43,280
cows are dying because you you're making

2307
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:46,000
them into sausages

2308
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:49,520
the the year is turning dark

2309
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,080
people are going within they're going

2310
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:54,000
into themselves because they're going

2311
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,440
into the house they're not running

2312
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:58,480
around outside anymore and they start to

2313
01:33:01,669 --> 01:33:00,880
think about their own issues and their

2314
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:01,679
own

2315
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:07,360
um that's what you do at halloween and

2316
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:09,280
then as i mentioned before the

2317
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:10,960
christians took that over it became the

2318
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,360
day of the dead all saints day they

2319
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,199
basically just took it over

2320
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:17,760
um and then may day is the opposite may

2321
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,239
days when you have your cows and you get

2322
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,800
ready to go up into the hills

2323
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:25,040
and you have a ceremony and you do a

2324
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:27,199
purification ritual where you have two

2325
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,239
fires

2326
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:30,080
and they have to be close enough

2327
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:32,080
together that a white cow

2328
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:34,400
going through them will have her fur

2329
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:37,360
tinged brown and all the cows get passed

2330
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,760
between these two ritual fires and they

2331
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,679
go up into the hills and the women and

2332
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:43,679
the children follow the cows and they

2333
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:45,440
that's where they spend the summer up

2334
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,550
those are the two most important uh

2335
01:33:56,149 --> 01:33:52,719
festivals

2336
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:56,159
but see that doesn't sound like spooky

2337
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:56,960
or

2338
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,199
anything bad

2339
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:01,920
is going on

2340
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,440
i'm sorry to disappoint you

2341
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:07,520
yeah i mean i'm just being your average

2342
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:11,440
american okay yeah okay well i mean

2343
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:13,280
i mean that there's a lot of deep

2344
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,800
indo-european

2345
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,040
symbolism here i mean the reason you

2346
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:19,440
pass the cow through the two ritual

2347
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:20,480
fires

2348
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,360
is because um the cow is a lunar animal

2349
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,520
it's filled with sacred liquid which in

2350
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:27,440
in the hindu tradition or the vedic

2351
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:31,199
tradition is called soma we call it milk

2352
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,560
you know when you take this watery lunar

2353
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,880
animal and you pass it between two fires

2354
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:37,760
and

2355
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:40,960
um in ancient thinking the celts believe

2356
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:43,679
that the universe was made of fire and

2357
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:44,719
water

2358
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:47,600
in scandinavia they said fire and ice

2359
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:49,520
but it was the same idea

2360
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,239
so

2361
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:52,320
when you when you bring fire and water

2362
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:54,400
together it creates magic you have the

2363
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,120
greatest potential for magic so that was

2364
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:00,000
that's an example of a magical spell

2365
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:02,320
isn't that scary

2366
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,960
that's so scary well but it also makes

2367
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,520
me think of in a lot of cultures fire is

2368
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:10,320
used for ritual purification

2369
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:14,000
and it would make the cow be cleansed

2370
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:16,960
and ritually pure in secret yeah yeah

2371
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:18,960
and so that's pretty cool that's

2372
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,120
definitely part of it um

2373
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:23,679
and then at luna which is the beginning

2374
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:26,080
of the harvest which is um it's actually

2375
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:28,000
a three week festival goes from the last

2376
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,280
week of july

2377
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:31,040
through the first two weeks of august

2378
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:32,320
anywhere in there

2379
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:35,120
you take horses and horses are solar

2380
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:37,600
animals they're they're creatures of

2381
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,719
fire

2382
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:40,560
remember the cow is a creature of water

2383
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:42,639
the horse is a creature of fire at

2384
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:45,440
lunasa you take the fiery horse

2385
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,800
and you drive your horses through water

2386
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,800
you drive them across a river

2387
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,520
or through a pond

2388
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,280
you know they they need to be ritually

2389
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,440
passed through water but it's the same

2390
01:36:02,790 --> 01:35:59,760
idea that you have fire and water coming

2391
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,800
together that's what happens

2392
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:04,639
and you also have horse racing that was

2393
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,199
a big thing at that time

2394
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:09,679
you know i just find it interesting that

2395
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,320
cultures around the world

2396
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:14,239
all celebrate

2397
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,600
some kind of holiday

2398
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,679
i'm not even going to use holiday

2399
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,440
acknowledgement

2400
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,040
of the

2401
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:25,760
uh you know of autumn of

2402
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,040
the winter equinox of the spring equinox

2403
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,600
you know of these cycles of time and

2404
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:33,360
cycles of the calendar

2405
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:35,120
and it always makes me wonder where the

2406
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,719
heck did we come up with this and why

2407
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:39,199
did we pay attention and and all of this

2408
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:41,520
stuff and it's things and

2409
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:44,560
the memory of it has come down to us

2410
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:45,679
today

2411
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:49,040
and we don't even think about that

2412
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,560
well because they were honoring the

2413
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,320
earth

2414
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:54,239
you know the solstice is an equinox as

2415
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,239
you're honoring the sky you're honoring

2416
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:58,159
the fire in the sky you're honoring the

2417
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:59,600
sun the moon

2418
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,560
um

2419
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:02,719
you know the position of the sun

2420
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:05,760
and so on that's a sky festival and then

2421
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:09,199
for for halloween and may day and in

2422
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,880
bulk which is um in february

2423
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,480
um

2424
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,239
and lunacel which is in august you're

2425
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,109
so it goes back to what i was saying

2426
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:24,000
earlier that it's all sacred

2427
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:25,520
everything you look at whether it's the

2428
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:28,480
moon the sun the grain the cows the

2429
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,800
horses the people it's all sacred

2430
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,360
and there's no idea that oh i need to

2431
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:37,840
leave this earth i have to be a i'm such

2432
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:40,800
a bad person my goal is to leave here

2433
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,520
and go to the sky god

2434
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,440
you know um it it

2435
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,760
that is that's just a completely

2436
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,760
different perspective

2437
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,280
and it's something that and this is

2438
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,960
going to get me in trouble but that

2439
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,199
whole perspective it's a desert

2440
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:57,360
perspective where you have a very

2441
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,639
harsh

2442
01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:59,600
sun

2443
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:02,639
a very harsh land

2444
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,440
and it's it can kill you if you go out

2445
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,199
in the desert you'll die

2446
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:09,840
you know you'll roast to death

2447
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,320
it's just a harsh harsh environment and

2448
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:14,800
a religion that was born out of that was

2449
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:18,080
brought to western europe where we had

2450
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,920
unbroken forests we had oak forest

2451
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,000
from the caucasus mountains all the way

2452
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,960
to the west coast of france was unbroken

2453
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,400
oak forest

2454
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:30,960
britain ireland everywhere was just oak

2455
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:33,119
oak oak everywhere so we are we were

2456
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,880
living in the forests

2457
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:36,480
we had

2458
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,239
shade you know we weren't going to burn

2459
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:47,920
to a crisp

2460
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,480
we had lots of firewood that that was

2461
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:53,440
our existence and then this harsh

2462
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:57,360
middle eastern religion was brought in

2463
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,840
and that's all i know and they took over

2464
01:39:01,990 --> 01:39:00,880
that

2465
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:02,000
pardon

2466
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,000
and they took over

2467
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:05,840
yeah they did and now they're they're

2468
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,239
starting to wane

2469
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:10,639
and and there's you know there's still

2470
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,440
problems because you know there's

2471
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,960
the muslims and the christians and

2472
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,480
they're all fighting each other but it's

2473
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:18,320
really sad but

2474
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,679
um but the the saddest part is

2475
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:24,000
there's the religious part but then

2476
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,239
there's the whole psychological belief

2477
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,719
materialism that seems to come with that

2478
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,800
whole cultural element that whole

2479
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,119
religious cultural element that has

2480
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:37,679
extended the boundaries of just

2481
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,880
practitioners of the faith

2482
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,719
well again i think it goes back to the

2483
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,280
fact that those religions were born in

2484
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:47,440
the desert where you had to fight

2485
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,239
incredibly hard to survive and so it's

2486
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:52,159
right it's written into the bible you

2487
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,440
know that you're

2488
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,960
you're supposed to make the land

2489
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,800
fruitful you're supposed to struggle

2490
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,440
with the land and control it and be a

2491
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,080
steward of it and master it you know um

2492
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,719
because it was so hard

2493
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:06,480
and actually you know it really doesn't

2494
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:08,719
say that

2495
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:11,199
you know god gives adam dominion over

2496
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:14,560
the land but as a student over the land

2497
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,320
but as a steward not as a conqueror yeah

2498
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,560
but you know we don't have a right to

2499
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:22,560
dominion over the land we're part of the

2500
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,440
land

2501
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,520
we are part of it

2502
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:27,920
people lived for millions of years as

2503
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,639
part of the landscape they didn't try to

2504
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:32,880
have dominion over anything they lived

2505
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,440
within the landscape

2506
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,280
you know they moved from camp to camp

2507
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,679
they didn't trash the place

2508
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,199
they moved because they knew that if

2509
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,440
they stayed in one place too long they

2510
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,119
would kill off all the animals and then

2511
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,119
they would starve and they figured that

2512
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,880
out so they would stay a certain amount

2513
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,639
of time in one place and then they would

2514
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:52,480
move to another place

2515
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,320
and they had a regular round of

2516
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:56,320
territory and they would keep moving you

2517
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,199
know

2518
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,719
because they understood how the whole

2519
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:00,080
thing worked

2520
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:01,920
and nobody had this idea i'm going to

2521
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,719
have dominion over this land you know

2522
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,040
that's the problem right there that's

2523
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,199
the kernel of the problem

2524
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,600
but they also aren't fulfilling their

2525
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:13,679
role of stewardship like i feel like i

2526
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,239
have stewardship over my little garden

2527
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:19,040
you know i go i talk to them i take care

2528
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:22,320
of my babies talk to the chickens talk

2529
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:24,080
to the nuggets you know what i mean

2530
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,199
because

2531
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:27,119
yeah there are more implies that you're

2532
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,800
going to leave it better than you found

2533
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,480
it that you're going to make it healthy

2534
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,159
yeah we're not doing that we're killing

2535
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,080
things off that's true

2536
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:35,920
and that's what i'm saying i think we're

2537
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:36,719
we're

2538
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,520
regressing in some ways

2539
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,080
well some of us are

2540
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,920
don't get me started that's a political

2541
01:42:03,750 --> 01:41:58,320
discussion i know we only have like five

2542
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,229
okay let's see

2543
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,119
i'm just looking at my list

2544
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:11,199
to see if there is anything that we

2545
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,280
didn't talk about but not really

2546
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,360
but what do your guys say do your guides

2547
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:20,080
have anything to say about all this

2548
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,360
well they think you're kind you're a

2549
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,119
hoot and i you know with everything

2550
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,360
that's gone on with the show today and

2551
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:27,199
the broadcast

2552
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:30,080
um i'm a little off my game oh plus they

2553
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,760
didn't i didn't get a copy of your book

2554
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,600
so i'm a little off my game with this

2555
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,679
whole thing and i i'm just so grateful

2556
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,760
that you're putting up with me and my

2557
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,239
little smart ass comments ooh

2558
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,320
i didn't say that that was french that

2559
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,360
means a bouquet

2560
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:47,360
yeah

2561
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:51,040
oh i'm sorry i had no idea

2562
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:51,920
yeah

2563
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:54,719
anyway um

2564
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,679
no i just am glad to hear this you know

2565
01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,360
i had um

2566
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,320
a guy who does voodoo come on i mean

2567
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,080
he's been on a couple of times before

2568
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,320
and we got into the whole con uh

2569
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,159
conversation about

2570
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:10,480
uh

2571
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,960
curses and spells and possession

2572
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,280
and all of these you know things that

2573
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,639
people associate with voodoo to kind of

2574
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,159
uh

2575
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,080
give people an idea like you know that

2576
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,000
really doesn't happen and it's really

2577
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:29,040
all hollywood and in talking to you

2578
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:33,199
it sounds like much of the things that

2579
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,960
people in the west have been led to

2580
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:36,080
believe

2581
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,280
is really

2582
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,520
all hollywood

2583
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,440
well and the church had a big you know

2584
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,440
part in that too during the inquisition

2585
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,560
they had lots of fantasies about

2586
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,400
witches and things like that that went

2587
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:50,639
on the witch hysteria

2588
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,080
you know that went on for a couple of

2589
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,080
centuries and that influenced a lot of

2590
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,920
people

2591
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,080
but you know it's all fantasy it's not

2592
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:01,360
reality we don't fly through the air

2593
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:02,639
you know

2594
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,560
we can't um we can't blast your your

2595
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,560
farm or what i mean we just we we can't

2596
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,800
do those things that's that's

2597
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:12,080
you know

2598
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:13,119
made up

2599
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,229
and they would just be so cool if you

2600
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,400
could i'd want one of those brooms

2601
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,760
they'd be selling them you know they'd

2602
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:24,239
mass produce china

2603
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:25,840
right if that stuff were true every

2604
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,800
witch would be a multi-millionaire right

2605
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:30,960
we'd all be living in in you know

2606
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,080
castles and

2607
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:36,719
always have the lottery numbers

2608
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:39,920
right exactly no we all work

2609
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:41,040
you know

2610
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,719
i guarantee that

2611
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:44,239
everybody listening probably has a

2612
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,080
co-worker who's a pagan i guarantee it

2613
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,480
we pay taxes

2614
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:52,159
you know you mean you can't conjure that

2615
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,560
up just send them fake money or make

2616
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:57,040
them think they got their money yeah

2617
01:45:03,669 --> 01:44:59,679
nope sorry

2618
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:03,679
i'm not converting man

2619
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,390
but if somebody was interested in

2620
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,800
exploring that as a tradition you know

2621
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,560
because they're resonating with this

2622
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,400
whole idea of

2623
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:19,679
communing more with the earth and and

2624
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,600
that sense of fellowship you know where

2625
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,600
would be a good place to send them i

2626
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:25,920
mean other than getting your uh being a

2627
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:27,199
pagan book

2628
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,400
which is probably awesome well i i

2629
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:32,400
actually have 10 books out right now

2630
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,000
that's just one of them

2631
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,760
but um

2632
01:45:40,229 --> 01:45:37,600
i i well if people are interested in

2633
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,239
druidism i do have a druid order it's

2634
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:42,880
called tribe of the oak

2635
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:45,600
and we teach online and in person if

2636
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:47,520
people are interested they can contact

2637
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:51,840
me my name is ellen e l l e n everett e

2638
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,360
v as in victor e r t

2639
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:58,080
h o p as in paul m-a-n ellen

2640
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:59,760
everthman.com

2641
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,199
is my website

2642
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,280
and you can write to me and i can point

2643
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,440
you in different directions you know

2644
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,080
seriously if you if you want it i mean i

2645
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:10,560
i can help you with druid training i can

2646
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,920
refer you to witches if you want that

2647
01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:16,239
um you know i'm glad to help there's a

2648
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,669
w-i-t-c-h-v-o-x which fox dot com

2649
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,840
where it's i think it's the largest

2650
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,400
religious site on the internet right now

2651
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,679
um

2652
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,840
but it goes state by state and you can

2653
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,840
see exactly which groups are in your

2654
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,520
state

2655
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:37,199
and

2656
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:41,840
things that go on in your state you just

2657
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,719
put in where you live and it'll tell you

2658
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,719
what's going on so that's probably a

2659
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:48,239
really good place to start if you're

2660
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:51,280
into witchcraft which box dot com

2661
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:52,639
cool

2662
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,760
yeah

2663
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,679
ellen thank you so much for coming on

2664
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:57,760
the show and spending time with us and

2665
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:59,520
putting up with all the little technical

2666
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:01,600
problems we had at the beginning but it

2667
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,840
turned out okay

2668
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,520
i want to say thank you to everybody in

2669
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:07,440
the chat room i hope they had a good

2670
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:08,800
time

2671
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:11,600
and to everybody who is listening i want

2672
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,719
to wish you a happy halloween or salon

2673
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,880
and don't forget to honor your ancestors

2674
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,800
just go outside and

2675
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:20,960
you know put make a little plate i call

2676
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:23,600
it a spirit plate just make a plate of

2677
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,400
of delicious food and leave it outside

2678
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,800
for your ancestors and for the fairies

2679
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,719
and let them know that it's for them on

2680
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:33,199
halloween it's very polite to do that

2681
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,239
so

2682
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:36,080
i'm laughing because it's like right and

2683
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,080
then five seconds later the cats will be

2684
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:40,320
over there like

2685
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:42,080
well that's okay

2686
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,440
that's okay

2687
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,360
just don't put chocolate because that's

2688
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,440
bad for dogs

2689
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:49,040
now the dog doesn't stay outside it's

2690
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,119
the cats anyway

2691
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:53,199
all right i am gonna let you go thank

2692
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,159
you so much again for coming on and we

2693
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,840
will have to have you back in a more

2694
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:59,600
grounded

2695
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,159
state next time

2696
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,400
okay well thank you my pleasure and

2697
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,040
happy halloween all right thanks

2698
01:48:11,870 --> 01:48:10,080
that's ellen everett hoffman her webpage

2699
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:11,880
is

2700
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:16,000
a pagan check out all of her other books

2701
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:16,840
on her

2702
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,360
website and next week we're going to be

2703
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:21,600
speaking with von brochler about

2704
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,320
encounters with benevolent entities and

2705
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,880
other disembodied spirits

2706
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:29,679
until next time i'm dr rita louise

2707
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:00,149
join host dr rita louise each week at